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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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guys i'm super excited and honored to

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have as my first guest on the podcast

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author and historian richard dolan

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uh i thought it appropriate he published

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my book to have him on the actual

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podcast based around that so rich thank

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you so much for joining me today man

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hi ryan oh it's so i'm so happy to be

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your guest and um i didn't realize i was

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going to be your first guest so that's

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even that's even nicer for me but it's

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it's an honor and i'm happy to be here

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with you well thanks man so

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well the real reason i wanted to have

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you on as the first guest to talk to you

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today was because recently i attended a

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a presentation you gave and i don't

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really want to discuss the ufo reality

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or question i think we're past that at

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this point

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in some ways but to really kind of get a

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sense of the perception of the topic

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from the mainstream media and uh you

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recently had a talk called media bias in

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ufo coverage culture policy or something

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else can you sort of run us through that

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talk and what it entailed

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absolutely um

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you know i was inspired to do this first

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of all i've always been interested in

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the

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relationship of media mainstream media

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to the ufo subject

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i'm interested in mainstream media in

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general

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years ago when i broke into this field

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my first book was published at around

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the same time as another book

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by a man who became a very good friend

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of mine terry hansen who has since

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deceased

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terry wrote a very excellent book a

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classic i would say called the missing

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subtitled um media complicity in the ufo

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cover-up

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our books were sort of like bookends

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with each other i wrote ufos in the

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national security state he wrote that i

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was dealing with the political aspects

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of the cover-up and he was dealing with

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the media aspects of the cover-up we had

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a very similar approach and we became

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friends

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and um

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terry didn't write any other books in

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this field but he did he did some

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lectures and presentations and we always

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stayed in touch until he died

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and um i miss him he's he's an old

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friend of mine and i realized you know

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his work and my work are so compatible

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and there really was no one

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to my knowledge doing detailed

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media analysis of the ufo subject i

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thought i would like to do what uh do

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for the the phoenix conference the

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international ufo

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congress that we did

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and so that's why i did it when you look

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that whole approach up to date

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incidentally and that's what i tried to

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a couple of things that you notice about

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mainstream media uh before we even get

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it's interesting because we went through

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the whole election of 20 in 2016 and now

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in 2017 and media itself is a story

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we hear everyone talking about so-called

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and you know there's lots of ways to

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look at this fake news phenomenon

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my perspective on it is that the

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corporate mainstream media itself is the

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primary conveyor and purveyor of fake

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and i say this not siding with any one

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particular political party here

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but i have been looking at cnn and msnbc

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corporate dominated uh intelligence

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and i don't think that i'm simply uh

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speaking hyperbole i think that there's

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a lot of facts to back this up and i

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my talk one of the things that um

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was important for me is just to mention

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to people that not only is the

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mainstream media not your friend or my

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my friend i mean it lies it spins its

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it's owned by just a few very sm

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powerful corporations it is merged with

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industry it cooperates with the

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intelligence community all of this is

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people often don't

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recognize this they don't pay attention

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they don't know their history but the

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mainstream media has cooperated with us

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intelligence for decades and generations

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still does but it also makes us sick and

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i mean physically it makes us sick and

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intellectually um emotionally it makes

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us sick

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and this is not just me saying it i mean

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there are mainstream articles themselves

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saying that the selection is making us

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sick literally making us sick i have a

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buzzfeed article i remembered uh reading

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that talked about how news is bad for

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you like truly news is bad for you and i

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thought to myself why would it be

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being an informed person

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is bad for you

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and of course it's not bad for you or

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for me or for listeners to be informed

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it's not bad at all i

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just because there's an article that

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says make you know

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news is making you sick

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so what i what i've realized is that

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it's how our mainstream corporate media

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delivers news how it packages news

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how it gives the news to us that is

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actually unhealthy for us

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all any intelligent person has to do

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when looking at the news is realize

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how trivial it is

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how um sensational it is

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how it focuses on one bad thing after

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another bad thing without context

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without understanding

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there have been study after study that

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have shown that the more television news

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a person watches the less likely they

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are to be informed about key issues in

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the world the less is it an inverse

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relationship oh wow so that's right uh

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over a quarter of a century ago during

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came to that conclusion it said the more

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cnn you watched and it was explicitly

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journalistic profession i'm thinking no

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actually it's a great success the whole

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point see of tv news and television in

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general is to sell you the viewer to the

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uh anything else is just gravy so

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informed because people will do want to

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think they're being informed they lure

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makes us sick but i think mainstream

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phenomenon of color revolution that is

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constructed revolution by intelligence

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to destabilize entire societies we've

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of trump he's said a lot of things in

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mainstream corporate media has helped to

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and uh and what it has done is it has

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destabilized the society what we've

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an effort by what people are now calling

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the deep state what i've often called

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as a way to corral a politician that

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they don't think is kind of in their in

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but anyway that's an overview of

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of from the 1940s onward mainstream

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consistently been incredibly hostile

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to the ufo subject

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alternative media but back back in the

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the local media would always be more

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inquisitive and more honest in coming

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covering stories about ufos and flying

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anyone who goes through newspaper

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clippings of the ufo phenomenon over the

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40s and 50s will find that

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90 of the best stories are local

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newspapers local sources but mainstream

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that for whatever reason we can get into

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this has decided ufos are not going to

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exist on their pages and they have

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effectively then right up to the present

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day

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kept ufos off to the fringe so it's an

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interesting thing

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um

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so yeah and i think what we're looking

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at my

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basic analysis my conclusion

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is that

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um it's very obvious to see that the ufo

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phenomenon has been

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an important part of national security

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an important concern

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and in that lecture and in my career

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i've often

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like to quote a few particular documents

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one of my favorite ones is a cia

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document from 1952

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in which the director of scientific

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intelligence

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writes to the director of the cia

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that um these

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these sightings must have immediate

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attention that there are sightings of

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unexplained objects at great altitudes

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and traveling at high speeds near major

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u.s defense installations he said that

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are of such nature that they are not

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attributable

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to natural phenomena or known types of

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aerial vehicles so

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you have

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one of a number of statements in the

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during the cold war

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that are very highly classified

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in which this phenomenon clearly is

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being taken seriously

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and yet our media which is supposed to

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be the watchdog the guardian

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of the republic really

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um

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completely dropping the ball so then the

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question arises are are they doing this

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because of their own journalistic biases

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and they're just bought their biases as

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human beings or is there something else

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going on and what i what i would say is

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that there's something more going on the

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media has

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explicitly been working in conjunction

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with the intelligence community

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we know this in the ufo field through

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something known as the robertson panel

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where in early 1953 the last weekend of

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did its own

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study and debunking of the ufo

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phenomenon it was already a rigged game

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even then right and they um

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they made it as one of their conclusions

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to work with major media to debunk the

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phenomenon to the public

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and we also know outside of the ufo

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subject

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of something known as operation

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mockingbird

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which i believe i talked about that a

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little bit in the lecture

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mockingbird

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was a a cia coordinated

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media control program it went all

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through the cold war 1940s 50s 60s 70s

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where the cia would have journalists on

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its payroll

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who would report the news

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in a way that the cia liked it would

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sometimes make up fake stories the cia

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would do this they normally would make

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up fake stories internationally and let

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them come to the u.s

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that was their way of doing it safely

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but

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they controlled spin they controlled

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editorial policy we're talking new york

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times washington post particularly

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and they're always their leaders but

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also television cbs did a ufo special in

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the 60s featuring walter cronkite the

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great american anchorman it was a ufo

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debunking piece that was part of the

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robertson panel

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i would say part of the whole operation

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mockingbird i think i look at it all as

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one thing one piece

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so in other words what i'm saying to you

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and to listeners is that mainstream

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media has never been an honest player

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uh relating to the ufo phenomenon and

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it's not an honest player relating

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really to anything political

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in our society and i think

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uh no matter what ones one thinks that

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their political orientation is i think

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if you do an objective study of the

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media you see

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they are they're working for an agenda

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it's an elite agenda it's an

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intelligence community dominated agenda

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it's a financial community agenda as

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well

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and that these all really work together

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uh as a control system uh back in the uh

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six i've just wrapped this part up here

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back in the 60s and 70s and 80s noam

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chomsky

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who's still around he's getting up there

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but chomsky really pioneered

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this idea

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of

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and western propaganda having to be

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superior to soviet propaganda back then

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it was the cold war and the russians the

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communists had this very you know

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prominent propaganda system

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but chomsky said look you know there's

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maybe a little more obvious

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but but ours is better

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he said western propaganda really is

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better because it has to be better

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you know the elites and the soviet union

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if you were to uh challenge that system

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back in the olden days fine you just get

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a 3 a.m knock on the door and they'd

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take you off to one of the prisons and

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you wouldn't be seen for a while

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in the us we didn't have

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they didn't have that luxury and so

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persuasion had to be

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much more insidious much much better and

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indeed as chomsky argued for years

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it was and is and part of that included

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um this illusion of a free process

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illusion of freedom which in fact is

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much more of a control system than

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anything else and that does include ufos

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right and what's interesting about that

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too rich is that you know i recently

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spoke to another journalist who covered

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the

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this too was an illusion as well while

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they while these uh phenomena and

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abilities may be real it wasn't even

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that that they were studying it was the

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impact it had on the enemy and their

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their perception of oh the us is this

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far ahead in this quote-unquote psychic

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warfare um we have to up the ante as

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well meanwhile you know they're still

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trying to even figure out if this stuff

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is real um while pushing another agenda

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of oh we're already bending spoons we

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we're able to shut off you know

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missiles if we so choose to through

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someone's mind uh it's fascinated and

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this could you know correlate to the ufo

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phenomenon as well and the technology

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that each country or nation has

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i would add a couple of uh things to

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that so i've been interested very

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interested from the beginning of my

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study of ufos in in the remote viewing

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phenomenon

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the reason i became interested way back

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even in the 90s was um because i learned

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that

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there was this thing called remote

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viewing the cia and us intelligence was

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doing it and that these remote viewers

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seem to be

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in addition to other things seeing ufos

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all the time

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and i noticed this uh this was a regular

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thing

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so i thought well what's going on here

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so i took some time to really study

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remote viewing and i got to know some of

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the leading remote viewers of that

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program i knew ingo swan

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i know joe mcmonagle and lin buchanan

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and um some of these other famous remote

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viewers and i i'm not a remote viewer

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myself but i have studied this

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uh i can i can say i would say

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confidently that

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there's a lot of things going on in that

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remote viewing program part of it was

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definitely propagandizing against the

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russians the soviets thinking you know

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wanting them to know that

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what are what are the american

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capabilities but part of it really was

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to develop genuine

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espionage capabilities with remote

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viewing and some of these guys were off

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the charts amazing so they were doing

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things

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that

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like

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there was and is something genuine and

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powerful

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about capabilities relating to remote

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viewing this is a real thing

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and it's not always 100 accurate and the

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real problem with the remote viewing

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isn't even getting the signal isn't

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often it's interpreting it

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so like you'll get a you'll get a vision

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of something that turns out to be quite

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accurate

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but it's if you don't really have a

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context for what you're looking at

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you will interpret it often in the wrong

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way so from an intelligence point of

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view it's not always useful information

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and it's a hit or missing scientifically

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it's fascinating but certainly within

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the

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intelligence

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community

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these people were doing

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unbelievable work all through the 70s

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and 80s and into the 90s and then of

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course

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the whole reason we know about it i can

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tell you

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frankly is that

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the journalist jim mars was

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writing a um

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an expose on it in the mid 90s he jim

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mars was going to be the first author

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to break the story about remote ewing

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and i've spoken to him about this at

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length and his book got stymied by his

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publisher for several

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years

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it was just stuck and in the meantime

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and they said well we just um i can't

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remember the excuses they gave him but

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they they effectively put the book on

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hold

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and in the meantime a guy who

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many of us i i think has cia connections

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um

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trying to remember his name now golly

541
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it'll come to me um he wrote the book he

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wrote the first remote viewing book

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and i was in the mid 90s it'll come to

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me before the end of this

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and in that book what he did was

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he said

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he really played the party line very

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well

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he he later did a

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book that debunked crop circles too

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round and round in circles um

552
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but anyway what he said was

553
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yeah you know they did a little bit of

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this they didn't really know what they

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were getting they got a couple of hits

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00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:00,320
seems interesting but they didn't really

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have much success with it

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and that was the cia's official

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story when they came out in the mid 90s

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they basically they declassified it

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because jim mars

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was i mean other researchers were about

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to blow the lid on it it's the only

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reason i think we really know about

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remote viewing officially

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and they decided to get out ahead of the

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story and control the spin

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and in that case i mean we're talking

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about media here actually

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the uh

571
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,640
i think it was nightline with ted koppel

572
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:30,320
they did a thing on remote viewing and

573
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:33,120
it was completely in line with the cia's

574
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,400
um

575
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:36,080
party line and that's what the

576
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,440
mainstream media does they work hand in

577
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:40,799
glove

578
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:43,360
with the us intelligence community

579
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,640
and now i mean my goodness something

580
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,000
like the washington post owned by jeff

581
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,080
bezos who owns amazon

582
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:50,160
we know amazon does all cloud

583
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:51,919
computing and storage for the cia

584
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:53,679
they've got a multi multi multi billion

585
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:55,360
dollar contract and it's not just cia

586
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:57,520
anymore bezos does the work for the

587
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,640
entire

588
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:00,400
uh us intelligence community my

589
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:01,919
understanding is

590
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:04,400
uh so the washington washington post is

591
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,400
owned by a guy who is deeply in bed

592
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:11,280
with the us intelligence community

593
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:13,600
that's just this is one connection so

594
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,400
um

595
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,640
anything i i didn't mean to turn this

596
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:18,159
around from the remote viewing but to

597
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:19,679
get back to the media

598
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:22,240
people need to understand

599
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:23,440
anything

600
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,240
that comes through um us-dominated

601
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:29,520
establishment media has to be suspect

602
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:31,760
every single thing

603
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,799
and um people will often ask me well

604
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,720
justice is great dolan so you don't want

605
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:38,320
people to listen to cnn or read in new

606
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,679
york times

607
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,679
or time magazine or what the heck are we

608
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,280
supposed to read how we how are we

609
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,360
supposed to get our information right

610
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,520
and um

611
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,200
i i would the first thing that i would

612
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:51,919
say is that

613
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,919
we are in a difficult position every one

614
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,960
of us

615
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,640
who is a

616
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,240
thinking

617
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,919
person with some intellectual interests

618
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,200
in this world

619
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:04,080
and we all have to realize

620
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,600
there's no way around this

621
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,600
that we are surrounded by a very

622
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,280
powerful

623
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,679
media mind control system

624
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:13,679
end of story it is

625
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,799
and this is not an easy task for us to

626
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:18,240
be

627
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,679
educated

628
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:21,760
aware citizens of the world

629
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,640
um

630
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,080
but one thing that i would encourage

631
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:26,640
people to do is to go to some

632
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,880
truly independent alternative media

633
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,720
sources the kind of thing that you're

634
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:32,880
doing is one good source

635
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,440
you know anything that takes us out of

636
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,679
the corporate establishment mainstream

637
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,960
is a good thing

638
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,480
now there's a step there's alternative

639
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:42,640
media that's actually not that

640
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,679
alternative media um like buzzfeed is

641
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,159
certainly not alternative media they

642
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,840
they'll pander to

643
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:50,799
um

644
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,720
uh you know generation

645
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,480
the millennials and they'll but but that

646
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,480
doesn't make them alternatives sorry

647
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,600
they're actually totally part of the

648
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,720
establishment

649
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,640
um but there are alternative they're

650
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,480
smaller media

651
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,480
and um

652
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,000
and we need to find them i go outside

653
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,320
the u.s and um

654
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:10,320
i have to go to the media that are that

655
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,679
are demonized

656
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:14,000
as so-called fake news because the fact

657
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,760
is that these are the only places that i

658
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,520
find are

659
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,360
generally um providing information that

660
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:20,960
are useful i do read my new york times

661
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:23,520
headlines um on my iphone

662
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,720
in all the headlines that everyone else

663
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,720
gets i get cnn headlines every day and i

664
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,280
i do read cnn stories so i know i feel

665
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:30,720
as part of my job to know what they're

666
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,600
saying

667
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,600
i read the washington post

668
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:35,360
every day

669
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,600
so i'm very aware of what mainstream is

670
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,000
saying but i will also read rt

671
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,039
uh that is formerly russia today

672
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,760
discussed as by the current cia director

673
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:49,440
as a tool of

674
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,640
uh putin's propaganda

675
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:54,240
nonsense i don't believe that in the

676
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:55,039
least

677
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,559
um i don't say that they're right about

678
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,159
everything of course but i

679
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,559
for news around the world i will always

680
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,320
want to know what they have to say

681
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,840
always every time

682
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,520
and i simply go by the quality of

683
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,400
analysis it's always superior i also go

684
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:10,240
to a canadian website that's my favorite

685
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:11,760
website

686
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,799
for um

687
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,159
history and politics and that's called

688
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,640
global research dot ca

689
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,480
and that's run by um

690
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,120
a man named michelle shostadovsky

691
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,960
who is doing what i think noam chomsky

692
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,480
should be doing but isn't doing so

693
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,159
schotovsky is doing it he's kind of like

694
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:27,760
the

695
00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:36,320
of media analysis and political analysis

696
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,960
and so the website he runs

697
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,520
globalresearch.ca it's running out of

698
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,720
montreal

699
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,600
is uh he has superb commentators in my

700
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,799
opinion

701
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,240
you know like any of these alternative

702
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:47,679
sites i don't i don't agree with

703
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,480
everything that i see on

704
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:50,000
globalresearch.ca

705
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,279
and i don't agree with everything i read

706
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,559
or see

707
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,720
or the take of things in rt but

708
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,720
um what i find is that they are a

709
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,880
different perspective and usually a much

710
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,159
more correct perspective and a more

711
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,640
honest one typically right yeah and i

712
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,440
mean the mainstream yeah yeah and i mean

713
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,080
do you research people i mean

714
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,400
it sort of brings me back to uh another

715
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,640
journalist friend of mine who uh

716
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,720
introduced me to the lyrics of a dead

717
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,880
kennedy song and it's quote don't hate

718
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,880
the media become the media so things

719
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,480
like i love the candidates isn't that

720
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:22,240
awesome

721
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:25,600
and how long ago was that you know uh

722
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,200
1980 so 1979 yeah a long time ago so

723
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,279
this idea of you know

724
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,000
not only disinformation but media bias

725
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,000
and everything that follows has been

726
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,919
going on for a while guys

727
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,840
um well absolutely the other thing that

728
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,240
i do and this is just a lifelong

729
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,919
advantage i've given myself is that i've

730
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,679
just studied history non-stop i still

731
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,840
study history non-stop on my kindle

732
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,360
reader in my down time i'm reading some

733
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,320
old history book from 100 years ago

734
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,720
so i mean for me in other words i have

735
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,320
i've developed

736
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,200
a good perspective on

737
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,360
history and politics

738
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,880
and so

739
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:05,039
i mean i just know that

740
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,240
there are certain patterns that have

741
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:08,480
existed in our world and

742
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,679
i've developed a good historical

743
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,880
foundation i don't know how to tell

744
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:12,240
someone you there's no way to get these

745
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,520
things quickly

746
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,960
right you know if someone someone's

747
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,200
living the cnn reality if they have that

748
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,880
on their tv the first thing i would tell

749
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,200
people is just turn that stuff off

750
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,880
it's like someone who's who's drinking

751
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:23,919
uh

752
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,799
cans of coke every day or pepsi and they

753
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:28,080
want to be healthy i'd say the first

754
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,279
thing you have to do is stop drinking

755
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,000
that stuff because your detoxifying your

756
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,159
body your system all that sugar it will

757
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:35,760
it will literally kill you i know a man

758
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,799
who actually

759
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,120
i'm convinced died of this

760
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,919
um i think it gave him ms he drank 10

761
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,520
plus cans of coke a day i mean it was

762
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,880
just absurd

763
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,240
um

764
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:48,000
and it's the same with news you know we

765
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,360
talk about

766
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,039
we have fake we have more than fake news

767
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:53,840
in our world we have fake food

768
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:54,840
fake

769
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,000
we honestly i think when we look around

770
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,760
we have almost a fake environment in

771
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,000
many ways um but we definitely have fake

772
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,159
food and fake news

773
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,600
and uh so the first thing you have to do

774
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,960
is you have to stop

775
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,039
bringing the poison in that's rule

776
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,720
number one so you have to stop with cnn

777
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,000
you have to stop with new york times i

778
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,760
mean truly stop

779
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,960
and um

780
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,480
i'll just i'll just do this as an aside

781
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:20,400
only get into a whole uh hillary trump

782
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,520
thing i mean we're getting kind of past

783
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,799
that anyway

784
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,279
but i will say this um i was a fan of

785
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:27,360
neither of those candidates um i i was

786
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,640
one of the people at a bernie sign in

787
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,559
front of my house so

788
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,679
um

789
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:33,520
we might lose or gain some listeners but

790
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,480
that's okay you know whatever um i would

791
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,880
say to people um

792
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,559
i was not a fan of either of the

793
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,080
candidates i used to joke and say i feel

794
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,600
like i'm in the wild west with two

795
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,360
gunslingers shooting at me whatever

796
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:47,440
wherever i go they're shooting

797
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,640
um

798
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,120
but what what i noticed objectively is

799
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,480
simply that the

800
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,559
establishment media was very very clear

801
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:57,279
as to who they wanted in it was obvious

802
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,159
um

803
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,520
it was 95 plus literally 95 plus of

804
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,200
media establishments wanted hillary

805
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,960
clinton in the white house

806
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,400
and uh

807
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,159
the reason was obvious to me it was

808
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,080
obvious because she um

809
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:11,840
she was basically a continuation of the

810
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,279
neocon the neoconservative neoliberal

811
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,760
uh doctrine uh where trump who's now

812
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,120
fulfilling all of those things that

813
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,559
hillary talked about by the way he's

814
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,000
completely switched over

815
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,679
uh but as a candidate trump was not on

816
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,600
board with that and hillary was so she

817
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:27,120
was the establishment candidate it was

818
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,080
obvious

819
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,760
um you know she's the one who went to

820
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,919
the bilderberg meeting in 2008 that was

821
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,120
her

822
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,480
she's the one who's worked with the

823
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:35,440
system

824
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:36,799
her whole career

825
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,600
and she was a team player and so um all

826
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,919
corporate media wanted her on board

827
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,799
and

828
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,120
knowing that was the the biggest mark

829
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,600
against her in my my book personally

830
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,880
that there was this

831
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,360
lying me mainstream i mean it's it

832
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,720
astonished me

833
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,720
or all of my uh friends

834
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,559
i i i'm someone who i guess would

835
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,720
identify as having been on the left

836
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,799
my whole life until this last year i

837
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:01,840
don't know what to think of the left

838
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,799
anymore

839
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,120
but um my friends on the left

840
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,440
none of them trust the cia none of them

841
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,279
tell me they trust the media

842
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,960
until this last year when they all trust

843
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,039
the cia

844
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,880
and i'm like what happened to you people

845
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:16,320
what happened to my friends they they

846
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,360
all believe

847
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,200
that trump was an agent of putin and

848
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:20,640
saturn live did the whole thing the

849
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:23,840
trump putin thing seriously um

850
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,840
anyway um i i feel like the media

851
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,240
does create sickness in our society this

852
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,919
actually might be a further study of

853
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,039
mine

854
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,120
um i learned from a

855
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,279
a close friend of mine who when people

856
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,120
go into therapy

857
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,960
the first thing one of the first things

858
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,799
that a good therapist will say to them

859
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,000
if they're dealing with anxiety and

860
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,520
stress and so on

861
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,919
is are you watching television news or

862
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,679
are you reading news and uh if you are

863
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,960
stop

864
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,919
wow

865
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,000
yeah so and again this goes back to the

866
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,080
idea that the media does kind of make us

867
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,520
sick and um but it's not all news

868
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,520
you know i i feel that uh being an

869
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,360
informed person

870
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,880
does not make us sick it hasn't made me

871
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,559
sick i feel

872
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:08,480
i feel great last thing i want to say in

873
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,679
the media and i know you probably want

874
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,640
to switch gears is um for people who are

875
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,440
not

876
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,720
still believing this i would tell them

877
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,679
to um

878
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,840
get get knowledgeable of a couple of

879
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,840
really prominent recent media

880
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,000
whistleblowers there's a lady that i'm a

881
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:23,840
big fan of name amber lyon

882
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,760
uh three-time emmy award winner

883
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,240
journalist she was with cnn for years

884
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,480
uh back in 2011 she reported on the arab

885
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,559
spring and then she just got sick of it

886
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,080
she said i can't do this anymore and she

887
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,880
just says look governments are paid up

888
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,320
paying us

889
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,720
to create fake news

890
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,640
uh and she talked she when she did the

891
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,880
arab spring back in 2011 she just said

892
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,760
cnn was routinely paid by the us

893
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,000
government and by foreign governments to

894
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,320
selectively report on certain events and

895
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,480
to make up fake news stories

896
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,080
and anyone who's gone into this at all

897
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,399
with fake cnn news i mean there's a

898
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,840
wealth of information to look for

899
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:01,600
there's another man who i'm a big big

900
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:04,799
fan of um who recently died his german

901
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,240
german journalist named dr uda urfkota

902
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,600
and he's on

903
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,200
youtube you can find him he talks about

904
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:14,399
how you know we all lie for the cia

905
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,760
he was doing stories back um 2010 2011.

906
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,840
he said the cia would write this is he

907
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,600
said all all european news is controlled

908
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,080
by the cia they would literally write

909
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,760
stories

910
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:27,520
that he would have to put his byline to

911
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,120
on libya on muammar gaddafi in that case

912
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,200
and he said if i if i didn't comply i

913
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,120
would have just lost my job but they

914
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,039
would write the stories my name would be

915
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,640
on it and it would be these all these

916
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,200
hit pieces propaganda pieces that

917
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,880
uh that was european and european

918
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:44,559
journalism and then i'm a big fan of a

919
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,679
lady named cheryl atkisson former cbs

920
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,399
news and she's out there she's given ted

921
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,559
talks i believe and she talks about like

922
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:54,640
uh astroturfing which is a very

923
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,919
important phenomenon basically faking

924
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,279
your data

925
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,679
to promote yourself astroturfing happens

926
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,200
on wikipedia

927
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,519
um she calls an astroturfer's dream come

928
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,120
true as wikipedia

929
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:08,880
but

930
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,840
how um the news around us is is very

931
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,480
deliberately falsified right

932
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,919
so there's a lot of information on this

933
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,880
out there

934
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:18,799
um

935
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,519
happy you're able to steer us towards

936
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,799
some uh

937
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:27,120
some sources that we can actually uh

938
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:28,399
well

939
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,760
nothing thank you nothing is uh certain

940
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,000
and no source not art i talked about rtn

941
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,640
global research look um i like them very

942
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,360
much i find that they give me a leg up

943
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,200
against uh people who follow the

944
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:43,279
mainstream that's for sure

945
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:44,159
um

946
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:50,159
is certain i mean what we all have to do

947
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:51,039
is

948
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,320
we have to use our brain we have to

949
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,720
think and it's

950
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,960
you know there's no magic formula

951
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,399
i'm sorry to say this to people there's

952
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,720
no sure shot way

953
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:03,039
to say oh for sure read this site don't

954
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,399
go there

955
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,480
what we have to do though is understand

956
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,200
first and foremost that we are part of

957
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,120
a control system

958
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,240
i think once we get that we can begin a

959
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,799
process and it can take years for some

960
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:18,399
people depending on how far into the

961
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:20,000
system they are

962
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,360
you know it's not as easy like in the

963
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,440
matrix where you just take the red pill

964
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:25,440
and all is revealed i i wish it were

965
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,640
that easy

966
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,360
um we are peeling the deception away by

967
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,440
layer after layer after layer and it

968
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,880
does take time and it's emotionally

969
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:34,240
difficult

970
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,519
um

971
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:37,200
and i'm doing research on false flags

972
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,320
these days

973
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,760
and what i've

974
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,440
definitely learned is that

975
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,640
one reason false flags are so successful

976
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,960
is because they combine our our emotion

977
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,320
with our mind

978
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,399
so the trauma of a false flag which is

979
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,840
always horrible

980
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:52,880
um

981
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:56,320
you know tears at us emotionally and

982
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,519
and then

983
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,440
what makes them effective is that the

984
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,960
authorities will come in immediately

985
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,799
with a narrative that appeals to our

986
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:03,919
intellect

987
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,519
to the emotion the mind and the heart

988
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,640
become one

989
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,120
and once we accept that

990
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,679
explanation from the authorities

991
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,080
it becomes wedded to the trauma and it

992
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,399
becomes very very difficult if not

993
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,480
impossible for most people to question

994
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:22,799
that intellectual explanation

995
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,519
so i think false flags work on this um

996
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,679
it's a very devious uh way that they use

997
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:30,399
this manipulation it's very effective

998
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:31,679
so for

999
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,480
and it

1000
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:33,919
doesn't work simply with false flags it

1001
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,159
works with all forms of propaganda

1002
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,720
people buy into something and the longer

1003
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,919
and longer you buy into something the

1004
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,559
harder and harder it is to buy out

1005
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,919
absolutely

1006
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,240
i couldn't put it better myself um

1007
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,799
well in terms of um

1008
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,799
love it or hate it rich um

1009
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,799
a lot of people

1010
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,640
are into this movement and that's the

1011
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,880
idea of disclosure um getting back to

1012
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,720
the ufo topic oh yes

1013
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:00,720
and uh you

1014
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,679
recently looked into uh you came out

1015
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,000
with a small publication about ufos and

1016
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,079
disclosure in the trump era now i just

1017
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,480
want to briefly touch on this because we

1018
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,520
could talk about this forever but um

1019
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:16,560
this idea that you know we have a

1020
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,079
a potus who is not afraid to tweet at 3

1021
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:22,240
a.m in the morning something about

1022
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:23,919
anything um

1023
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,720
so in terms of the ufo question some

1024
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:28,720
people think that this may

1025
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,520
be the time that we get a tweet in the

1026
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,000
morning about what happened in roswell i

1027
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,839
mean that's that's going a little far

1028
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,800
but

1029
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,399
i was one of the first people i think to

1030
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,079
just put that little idea out there and

1031
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,800
and i almost did it whimsically um

1032
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,639
i wrote a piece on trump and uh

1033
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:47,359
disclosure the day after he got elected

1034
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,399
i remember

1035
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,560
when yeah when the world when uh most of

1036
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,079
the uh

1037
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:54,079
the the i guess the the liberal the left

1038
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,440
world was uh

1039
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:58,000
going into some serious serious serious

1040
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,960
trauma

1041
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,560
over that election

1042
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,720
uh and certainly in the ufo fields uh

1043
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,640
there were a lot of folks you know our

1044
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,119
friend stephen bassett and grant cameron

1045
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,760
uh for two of them really believed

1046
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,320
that hillary clinton was the disclosure

1047
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,000
candidate i mean

1048
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,320
bassett absolutely believed it uh

1049
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,000
actually he he believed furthermore that

1050
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,680
obama would do it before the end of the

1051
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,359
uh his term

1052
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,760
uh i for my part i publicly stated many

1053
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,880
times that i did not believe that that

1054
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,480
would happen

1055
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:28,400
but we all thought hillary clinton would

1056
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,280
win

1057
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,640
uh i certainly thought she was going to

1058
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,320
go i thought it was a done deal frankly

1059
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,000
the whole system was just rigged on her

1060
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,079
behalf that was my opinion

1061
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:38,160
anyway so when trump got elected

1062
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,280
i thought well let's just take a look at

1063
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,800
this situation

1064
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:42,839
uh this was a guy who at least

1065
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,920
particularly at that time there's been a

1066
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,440
struggle going on since then we need to

1067
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,800
talk about this

1068
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,480
but trump

1069
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,400
seems

1070
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:54,400
like a guy who um

1071
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,280
he's not he's a disrupter he's a

1072
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:59,040
disrupter and no matter how one looks at

1073
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,000
him

1074
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,560
he um he's staring up the pot a bit and

1075
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,880
um he was saying things this whole

1076
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:06,160
as a candidate you know let's make

1077
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,760
friends with russia this was a big thing

1078
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:10,400
and he got reamed for this by

1079
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,839
all sides of the political spectrum it

1080
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,599
was astonishing to watch

1081
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,680
um and then his anti-globalist thing was

1082
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,480
was very clearly against the the main

1083
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,760
current

1084
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,599
so i thought this is a guy who's become

1085
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:23,920
an enemy of big parts of the national

1086
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,760
security apparatus that's obvious and

1087
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:29,359
you know i never thought hillary clinton

1088
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,640
would be a disclosure candidate because

1089
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,560
i saw her as the consummate insider

1090
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,920
trump

1091
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,640
um is not the same type of insider and i

1092
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,760
thought

1093
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,440
i said you're still more likely to win

1094
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,040
getting getting a lottery ticket than

1095
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,200
waiting for a trump disclosure

1096
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,880
and i i think even more strongly that

1097
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,040
now but i thought actually

1098
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,960
this man's personality

1099
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,880
is such that

1100
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,040
he actually might do a 3am tweet do you

1101
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,040
say you could just imagine him saying

1102
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,560
something like everyone knows ufos are

1103
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,079
real

1104
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,160
and the funny thing about

1105
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,800
trump is like could you imagine unlike

1106
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:04,560
with obama like if obama were to do a

1107
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,079
disclosure of ufos had he done so i

1108
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,000
think there would have been a much

1109
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,680
higher like people would have been like

1110
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,000
oh my god i can't believe it trump who's

1111
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,480
gonna believe him like i really think

1112
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,760
there's a lot of folks who would just

1113
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,280
say this man is

1114
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,440
you know certifiably insane and people

1115
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,079
think that already so if this were

1116
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,599
to do a disclosure of ufos

1117
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,119
seriously this would be a real problem i

1118
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,760
don't i think

1119
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:33,200
um

1120
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:34,400
i think it would be very difficult for

1121
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,200
him

1122
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,359
and when i when i publish this booklet

1123
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,960
it's about a hundred pages long it's

1124
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,320
just under

1125
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,839
um

1126
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,440
you know it was already evident to me i

1127
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,880
wrote i published it in march about a

1128
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,920
month ago

1129
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:48,480
uh it was already clear that he was

1130
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:49,680
losing

1131
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,320
his if it was a battle with the deep

1132
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,160
state he was losing it even by mid-march

1133
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:56,160
like it was obvious to me that he was

1134
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,440
uh on the

1135
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,680
he had been out maneuvered completely

1136
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:02,000
outmaneuvered so that any reform of the

1137
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,280
intelligence community was not going to

1138
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,800
happen because they they took out

1139
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:06,560
michael flynn like immediately he was

1140
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,760
the only person who could have done a

1141
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,760
reform of the intelligence community he

1142
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:11,440
was the first one out

1143
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,079
in that kind of a specious uh russia

1144
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,680
thing there

1145
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,280
so all of all the loyal people around

1146
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,520
him he's basically surrounded by council

1147
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:21,280
on foreign relations people globalists

1148
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,640
that's they've they've taken over

1149
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,839
they've got them

1150
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,839
so by mid-march it was evident to me

1151
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,960
that

1152
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,200
uh it's unlikely

1153
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,040
but um

1154
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,520
nonetheless uh

1155
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,880
we're in a situation where there's a

1156
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:37,599
kind of covert war going on a war of

1157
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,760
leaks for example all of these leaks

1158
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,280
that we're seeing

1159
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:42,800
uh against and

1160
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,920
against trump and against other people

1161
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,440
are signs that the intelligence

1162
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:48,880
community

1163
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,440
is fighting itself

1164
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,240
so in that type of a situation it just

1165
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:57,440
seemed to me there's enough instability

1166
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,720
that there could be some accidental

1167
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,640
or who knows what someone might say what

1168
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,480
the heck just an intentional

1169
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,320
putting this information out there i

1170
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,560
don't think that that's likely

1171
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,400
but um

1172
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,200
but i will say in my own observation

1173
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,920
over political history over the past 50

1174
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,280
plus years

1175
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,640
during times of great instability

1176
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,240
in many nations

1177
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,680
it can happen

1178
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,480
that ufo data leaks out and comes out

1179
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,400
particularly when there's regime change

1180
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,800
when uh when mao died in china this

1181
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,160
happened over there when the soviet

1182
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,480
union broke apart it happened very much

1183
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,400
so there after watergate in our own

1184
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,000
society we strengthened our freedom of

1185
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:40,000
information act which led to a great

1186
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,320
release of ufo information in spain

1187
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,480
after the dictator franco died in the

1188
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:46,960
70s it led to a release of ufo data

1189
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,839
there so when there's instability in the

1190
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,960
system

1191
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:52,880
things come out and that includes ufo

1192
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,480
data we are in a very unstable political

1193
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,640
situation here in the united states

1194
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,640
and so for that reason

1195
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:03,040
um i could see

1196
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,240
something unexpected something

1197
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:05,680
accidental happening

1198
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,240
i'm not i don't say bet on it

1199
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,720
um i i don't think there's ever a

1200
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,400
a year where it's a good bet but there

1201
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,599
are some years where it might be better

1202
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:14,880
than others

1203
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,520
absolutely yeah the the harder you shake

1204
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,359
the more that's going to come out but um

1205
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,040
who knows who knows what's going to

1206
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,720
happen the thing that i try to look at

1207
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:24,560
in this booklet of mine is the

1208
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,359
international situation um you know

1209
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,160
people for years would ask me well

1210
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:32,000
sure there's a uf oh cover-up in the

1211
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:33,200
united states but what about other

1212
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,880
countries what about what about britain

1213
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,400
what about brazil what about russia what

1214
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,760
about india

1215
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:38,960
and it's true you know we're in a big

1216
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,000
world so what is it about these other

1217
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,040
nations that allows for this phenomenon

1218
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,599
to be secret and i i really do try in

1219
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,400
this booklet um

1220
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,119
to deal with that issue um and one of

1221
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,680
the things that i point out is

1222
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:58,240
excuse me is that um

1223
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,440
you know although the united states

1224
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,880
isn't the only nation in the world it is

1225
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,599
still

1226
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,960
the dominant

1227
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:04,880
nation in the world by far

1228
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,960
and there are only uh a handful

1229
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:11,440
of nations that are

1230
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,960
outside of predominant preeminent u.s

1231
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,160
influence

1232
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,319
all right there's only a few so the us

1233
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,240
runs all of the nato countries which are

1234
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,000
very powerful the us

1235
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,200
has dominant influence over most of

1236
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:27,440
central and south america

1237
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,599
the u.s has a very strong influence over

1238
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,480
most of the significant nations

1239
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,560
in the far east we're talking japan

1240
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,400
south korea

1241
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,000
southeast asia

1242
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,760
australia obviously

1243
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,640
there are only a few

1244
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,200
significant nations that are still

1245
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,599
outside u.s control we're talking russia

1246
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:51,280
first and foremost china those two big

1247
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,160
ones

1248
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,920
iran

1249
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,280
north korea

1250
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,800
uh syria

1251
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,800
although syria is you know the whole

1252
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,200
point is to make syria cave but those

1253
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,680
those are some of the the key nations

1254
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,240
and and really of those

1255
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,240
the only the two big ones obviously are

1256
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:10,079
russia and china

1257
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,280
um

1258
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,280
because of the 200 or so sovereign

1259
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:14,960
nations that exist on this planet only

1260
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,079
only a handful maybe maybe 20

1261
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,839
have a military intelligence community

1262
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,599
that's significant enough that would

1263
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,680
allow them to

1264
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:24,720
have

1265
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:25,440
a

1266
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,599
the time including shout outs on the

1267
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,160
show early editions of main episodes

1268
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,960
bonus episodes and content and very soon

1269
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:01,440
monthly patron hangouts where we sit

1270
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,800
back and chat all things ufos so i hope

1271
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,560
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1272
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:09,040
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1273
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,400
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1274
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:14,640
somewhere skies thank you for your

1275
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:23,510
i mean most nations you know

1276
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,800
90 of global military spending is um

1277
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,960
wrapped up with the the top 15 20

1278
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:30,800
nations

1279
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,200
we have to look at in terms of ufo

1280
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:37,200
secrecy the other nations i think i

1281
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,079
don't really think they have enough

1282
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,800
knowledge or data or ability to have any

1283
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,480
um like they wouldn't be able to

1284
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,480
disclose the ufo reality

1285
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,440
and of the top 20 the us controls um you

1286
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,280
know 17

1287
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,920
18 of them only russia and china are not

1288
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:53,040
in there so

1289
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,319
we really are looking at russia and

1290
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,079
china for the international scene as far

1291
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,839
as the wild cards go

1292
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,400
and i i see them as very conservative

1293
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,680
generally speaking they're conservative

1294
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,640
nations

1295
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,400
um they don't want they're not

1296
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,079
interested in shaking things up in a

1297
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,839
dramatic way and plus they're both

1298
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,280
heavily dependent

1299
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:12,319
on hydrocarbons gas and oil

1300
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,200
to me

1301
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:15,359
i've looked at ufo disclosure always as

1302
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,400
something

1303
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,480
that has energy implications

1304
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,560
i feel that it has to

1305
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,480
because once an acknowledgement of ufos

1306
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,079
is made

1307
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,160
um

1308
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,000
how long will it take people to realize

1309
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,040
oh wow so wait a minute if they're real

1310
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,359
i assume they're not using high octane

1311
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,599
petroleum right

1312
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,119
whatever it is it's better than what

1313
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,920
we're using and so implicit in the ufo

1314
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,599
disclosure

1315
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,280
i've always felt is a post-petroleum

1316
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,040
society and that's i can't think of

1317
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,319
anything more revolutionary in our

1318
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,160
infrastructure than that and i don't

1319
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,839
think russia and china are any more

1320
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,040
interested

1321
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,200
in rocking that boat than the u.s power

1322
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:57,280
structure right at least right now

1323
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,160
so i see a great deal of um

1324
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,520
of stability coming from those countries

1325
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,040
um although i would actually if there

1326
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,720
was to be a disclosure i would probably

1327
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,160
almost prefer that the chinese or

1328
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,119
russians do it ahead of the americans

1329
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,720
right and i i just because i think the

1330
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,880
americans are just uh they're they've

1331
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,880
been lying for so long and they've been

1332
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,040
running this for so long um

1333
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,880
we i've got to get over the idea i mean

1334
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,480
i'm american i love america i study

1335
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,079
american history every day

1336
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,480
but uh america is not not the good guy

1337
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,599
in this battle

1338
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:30,000
right and you know capitalization is

1339
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,040
always

1340
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,839
uh an issue with this even if

1341
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,720
you know the reality of ufos were to be

1342
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,520
given to the public and then that you

1343
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,319
know let's say free energy or whatever

1344
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,640
whatever the hell these things

1345
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:46,960
use this propulsion uh

1346
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,760
you know how how long will it take for

1347
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:51,920
the government which is a very broad

1348
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,040
term to uh control and contain that to

1349
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:56,720
capitalize off of it you know what i

1350
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:57,520
mean

1351
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,319
switching from crude oil to free energy

1352
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,680
um i i'm sure there's some sort of

1353
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,560
plan or agenda in action to

1354
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,119
when if and when that day comes say our

1355
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,400
oil resources completely deplete um how

1356
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,160
will they make the most money off of

1357
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:16,079
this new form of energy

1358
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:17,040
let's stay with this thought for a

1359
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,480
minute is it's really an interesting

1360
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,160
thought so there's monetizing the

1361
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,680
technology which i agree with you

1362
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,760
completely has got to be key

1363
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,560
and then the other concern

1364
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,440
so well as far as monetizing

1365
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,359
i mean i wonder if it's possible that

1366
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,920
they haven't figured out an accurate

1367
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,319
good way to monetize us

1368
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,400
so and that might be the real problem

1369
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,760
for example

1370
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,280
you know there are stories and rumors

1371
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,440
and i don't really know if this is the

1372
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,920
truth but you know back when tesla was

1373
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,000
working on his

1374
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:50,000
his uh energy

1375
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,280
transmitter

1376
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:54,079
at wycliffe and um warden cliff i think

1377
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,880
right

1378
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:56,240
and it and

1379
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,359
and jp morgan was financing him

1380
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,160
uh and and tesla's

1381
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,160
uh lab was burned down and everyone

1382
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:05,839
suspected that jp morgan had a hand in

1383
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,640
it probably did morgan was a the devious

1384
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:11,119
master of the universe in his day

1385
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,560
and the real creator by the way of the

1386
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,319
modern military industrial complex

1387
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:15,760
incidentally he did it during world war

1388
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,560
one

1389
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,040
and he he ran the whole thing but the

1390
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,359
point is morgan

1391
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,960
um

1392
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,559
could very well have have destroyed

1393
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,160
tesla's work because he couldn't see how

1394
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,000
to monetize it i mean

1395
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,520
you know we're all working off of oil

1396
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,839
and gas back then especially oil

1397
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,359
so um

1398
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,520
and today how would you monetize free

1399
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,640
energy

1400
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,720
if it's if it's literally or nearly

1401
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,119
literally free

1402
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,040
you know to give people a tremendous

1403
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:45,200
amount of energy

1404
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,480
you're not going to make as much money

1405
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,400
off of it you just won't

1406
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,319
and so that's a real problem and we are

1407
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,200
living in a world that is dominated

1408
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,839
by um the extraction of hydrocarbons

1409
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,680
from the ground and that's the physical

1410
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,400
control over the oil and natural gas

1411
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:02,720
is what dominates u.s policy

1412
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:05,839
that is what it is all about it's 98 99

1413
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,960
of u.s policy is control over oil and

1414
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,760
natural gas and not just physical oil

1415
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,760
but the sale of oil through petrodollars

1416
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,599
the whole petrodollar system is the

1417
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,520
foundation of u.s policy

1418
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:19,760
that is forcing oil producing regions to

1419
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,800
sell their oil in u.s dollars

1420
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,480
the petrol dollar system is starting to

1421
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,720
break down russia and china

1422
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,760
are

1423
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,680
breaking it down saddam broke out of it

1424
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:31,520
in 2000 and that's why the u.s invaded

1425
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,839
iraq back

1426
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:35,520
then but the system is is inevitably

1427
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,359
breaking but but with free energy um

1428
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,440
you know monetizing this oil and gas

1429
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,280
would be i'm not excuse me monetizing

1430
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,880
the new form of energy would be it's

1431
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,160
very problematic and then the other

1432
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,040
aspect of free energy that might be

1433
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,440
possibly even more problematic

1434
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,800
is

1435
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,280
energy gives you and me and all the

1436
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:56,559
listeners

1437
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,680
a tremendous amount of power

1438
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:01,440
figuratively and literally

1439
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,829
not only could you be independent of

1440
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,280
your electrical

1441
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,359
you know you go off the grid essentially

1442
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,520
you wouldn't you don't need

1443
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,280
your utility company

1444
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,079
and you're not dependent

1445
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,400
on that critically important thing for

1446
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,920
your survival

1447
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,920
it would be possible if someone had an

1448
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,720
independent source of energy

1449
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,559
literally to go off the grid and to go

1450
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,480
out into the desert somewhere and you

1451
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,760
could create your own house and you

1452
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:33,200
could create your own energy system you

1453
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:34,000
could

1454
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,000
you know synthesize your own water

1455
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,160
through from the air i mean with energy

1456
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,559
everything is solvable

1457
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,559
everything is fixable with sufficient

1458
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,720
energy and so what that does is it gives

1459
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,480
people freedom

1460
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,160
a lot of freedom from the system from

1461
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:53,200
authority and um i've got to assume

1462
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:54,800
people at the top are not interested the

1463
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,359
other the other problem with free energy

1464
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,920
is that there is a danger

1465
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,680
uh human beings are dangerous we're not

1466
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,160
nice people we're dangerous people and

1467
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,200
if um i mean individually you and i on a

1468
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,119
good day were nice but

1469
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,440
overall if you give people

1470
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,839
infinite freedom

1471
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:15,920
we often become very very dangerous and

1472
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,190
and so what if with this free energy not

1473
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,720
only could you heat your house forever

1474
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:24,839
for free but you can make a really nifty

1475
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,000
bomb um what if if we're using something

1476
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,760
like zero point energy if that's the

1477
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:31,200
solution

1478
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,400
you um

1479
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:33,599
you know i remember reading a statement

1480
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:36,480
by dr hal put off who i know how

1481
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,760
physicist

1482
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,720
who's

1483
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,559
very much in the forefront of zero point

1484
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,160
energy research and he

1485
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:44,079
once speculated you know

1486
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:45,200
what if there's enough energy in this

1487
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,400
cup of coffee to blow up half the

1488
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,319
pacific ocean

1489
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,640
and and he wasn't joking like he doesn't

1490
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,160
know that there is but

1491
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,079
theoretically it could be the amount of

1492
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,599
energy in zero point could be

1493
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,520
insignificant or it could be

1494
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,599
unbelievably vast

1495
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:02,000
and what if a free energy solution

1496
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,119
allows

1497
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,359
for tremendous extraction of energy or

1498
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,040
production of energy

1499
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,760
that would be very destructive

1500
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,280
and so now we're letting loose this

1501
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,960
genie out of the bottle

1502
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,200
that could be a very dangerous one

1503
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,760
and so this is one one area where i

1504
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,440
might have sympathy right with the

1505
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:21,200
secret keepers i mean anyone thinking

1506
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,440
this theory would think oh my god

1507
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:25,359
the problem is

1508
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:28,640
a we don't know the energy implications

1509
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,160
um the i do know that secrecy has become

1510
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,880
a very destructive

1511
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:36,640
um

1512
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:39,760
uh thing for our society that

1513
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,640
for those idealists left who believe in

1514
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,480
freedom and liberty and freedom of

1515
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,079
inquiry it's been very dangerous for

1516
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,839
that it's been very destructive

1517
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,760
and we've moved into a kind of

1518
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,680
neo-fascist oligarchy i don't know how

1519
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,800
else to call it

1520
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,480
so for those things i i'm not a fan of

1521
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,880
that and i believe in um in the sunshine

1522
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,240
of truth

1523
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,160
so for that reason i i'll always believe

1524
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,520
in disclosure

1525
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,280
i have to believe in the truth

1526
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,800
um because if i if i can't believe in

1527
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,559
the truth then that there's nothing else

1528
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,480
really for me to believe in

1529
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,480
and i think that it's still the most

1530
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,559
uh proper foundation for a stable

1531
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,040
society is truth not falsehood

1532
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,200
but um if the truth is that we can't

1533
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,599
control this energy then

1534
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,040
then our world will have to find out

1535
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,599
ways of creating the control and

1536
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:26,240
are we moving then toward a completely

1537
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,870
inclusive system where everyone is

1538
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,119
monitored where everything is

1539
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,760
being checked by uh you know centralized

1540
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,760
artificial intelligence for example to

1541
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,079
make sure that no one's building

1542
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,640
the world's biggest bomb right

1543
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,319
yeah i mean i i don't know i don't know

1544
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,160
what the solution is we're moving into a

1545
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,200
very uh you know the ufo subject is one

1546
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:51,200
of several

1547
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,559
uh key issues that are going to drive

1548
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,800
our future it's only one of them it's a

1549
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,800
big one but it's not the only one

1550
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,720
and we're moving into

1551
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,559
a very very different world the next 20

1552
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,839
years i don't even know who could

1553
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:05,200
predict what our world is going to look

1554
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,559
like in 20 years

1555
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:08,720
right it's it's never been more

1556
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,359
uncertain i feel uh and that's either

1557
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:13,119
going to be an extremely exciting time

1558
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:14,480
to live in uh

1559
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,599
or scary or exciting or all the above

1560
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,520
who knows the only time i agree

1561
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:22,000
one of the things that i i did um

1562
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,440
that i've been thinking through in this

1563
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,200
whole disclosure scenario is different

1564
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,280
scenarios of disclosure

1565
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,160
right um when i wrote after disclosure

1566
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,640
six years ago um

1567
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,720
seven wow

1568
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:36,880
um we really had one fundamental

1569
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,119
disclosure scenario and it's what i

1570
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,119
would now call premature disclosure so

1571
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:42,640
in other words some something accidental

1572
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,839
happens

1573
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,280
a sighting

1574
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:48,000
um a leak something unexpected because

1575
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,440
we're in

1576
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,760
a very tumultuous era

1577
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,760
where things are unexpected and

1578
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,760
i've often said disclosure is impossible

1579
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,119
but inevitable

1580
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,280
like that paradox

1581
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,359
and that is indeed a

1582
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,599
a real possible way that

1583
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:05,280
the disclosure will happen it won't be a

1584
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:06,480
plan

1585
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,720
but it will happen as a result of

1586
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,280
some accident uh you know wikileaks or

1587
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,720
sighting or something like that but

1588
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,559
there are other scenarios of disclosure

1589
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:16,960
and actually it occurred to me

1590
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,000
after we wrote after disclosure that um

1591
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,839
maybe the leading candidate isn't that

1592
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,520
one but rather a kind of fascist form of

1593
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,960
disclosure

1594
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,920
um

1595
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,839
in other words we're moving toward we're

1596
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,000
moving into towards some version of a

1597
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,240
neo-fascism i say neo-fascism because

1598
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,760
fascism

1599
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,960
in 2017 is not going to look like 1937

1600
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,400
right with hitler's brown shirts i mean

1601
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,559
nothing's ever the same in history we're

1602
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:43,280
in a different era but but a a

1603
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:46,799
new iteration aversion

1604
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,839
and it seems to me that once

1605
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,839
complete control over the spin over the

1606
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,680
propaganda system total control is

1607
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,760
assured then maybe we might be moving

1608
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:57,040
into a system where there'll be a

1609
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,799
disclosure of some sort

1610
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,280
um but i don't think that

1611
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:03,359
that era has arise arisen yet where

1612
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,480
we've got

1613
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,760
where there's total control over the

1614
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,119
spin there's still enough independence

1615
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,000
out there so if there's a disclosure

1616
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:11,680
it's not clear to me that the government

1617
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,400
or the intelligence community would

1618
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,079
be able to maintain full control over

1619
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,319
the spin they control can they control

1620
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,960
spin from so much and they might for

1621
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,200
this but this is a a big topic this is a

1622
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,280
tough one so i think once they get to a

1623
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,559
point where they're

1624
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:28,880
convinced that yes we control the news

1625
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:31,359
we're surveilling people 24 7. we've got

1626
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:32,400
everyone shipped we've got everyone

1627
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,839
drugged we've got everyone basically

1628
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,520
zoned out when watching dancing with the

1629
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,000
stars now we can we can roll this out

1630
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,920
because no one knows anything anymore i

1631
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:41,520
mean we've erased

1632
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,640
and really all you have to do is look

1633
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,839
around you

1634
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:45,920
and it's it's distressing to me

1635
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,799
i see so few people with even the most

1636
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,319
bare bones understanding of history and

1637
00:55:52,590 --> 00:55:51,839
politics

1638
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,600
it's um

1639
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:55,040
[Music]

1640
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,400
i don't know if it was any better when i

1641
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,400
was a younger guy

1642
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,440
but i think it was better um i

1643
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,880
i don't know

1644
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:04,799
there are there's a few people

1645
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,119
nowadays who are kind of awake

1646
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,760
but there's an enormous mass of people

1647
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,839
who i just think are

1648
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,920
as asleep at the switch as ever maybe

1649
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:16,079
maybe i don't know maybe i'm wrong but

1650
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,119
anyway i think we're moving toward a

1651
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,640
fascist kind of disclosure i think

1652
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,160
that's the preferred method of

1653
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,920
disclosure but there's other

1654
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,680
there's other ways there's that

1655
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,520
you know an accident can happen a leak

1656
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:27,040
can happen or

1657
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,880
best case scenario uh the people

1658
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,200
themselves we can drive this process and

1659
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,119
i i think that's the healthiest way

1660
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,520
because it helps us to reclaim our power

1661
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:38,079
help reclaim the helplessness

1662
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,680
to get rid of that which has been

1663
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:41,119
encroaching on our lives for the last

1664
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,160
generation or more right well you know

1665
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,319
rich i i do have to bring this up the

1666
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,200
black sheep and ufology at this moment

1667
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,160
in terms of disclosure uh and that's tom

1668
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,440
delong uh what oh indeed what do you

1669
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:58,799
make of this entire thing going on

1670
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:01,119
is this guy for real is he actually

1671
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:02,319
being fed

1672
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,119
disinformation information probably a

1673
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,040
mixture of both or is this all complete

1674
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,720
[\h__\h] like what what do you make of

1675
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,599
this

1676
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,599
uh yeah that's a very good question i

1677
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:14,400
met i met tom delange once uh back in

1678
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,920
2014 he was he i liked him you know he's

1679
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,680
for anyone who's living in a cave he's

1680
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,160
the head lead singer blink 182.

1681
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,160
my daughter who's now 18 you know when

1682
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,920
she was a few years ago she loved blink

1683
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,760
182.

1684
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,839
and um

1685
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,079
and so he's he's into ufos i met him in

1686
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:34,559
2014 he was really into it then

1687
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,440
um

1688
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,359
this was before he wrote his book

1689
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,440
secret machines

1690
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,960
and

1691
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,119
i um

1692
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,359
i'm very cautious i'm very i actually i

1693
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:47,280
don't i don't take

1694
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,119
what he's saying at face value i i

1695
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,640
haven't from the beginning and i and i

1696
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,760
will not

1697
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,760
um it seems to me it's way too

1698
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:56,000
convenient the leakers coming to him

1699
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:57,359
have convinced him that they're the

1700
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,880
white hats

1701
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,640
that uh the secrecy exists for a good

1702
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,480
reason and he has said this and that

1703
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,920
they're protecting us they're they're

1704
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,760
working on our behalf

1705
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,839
and i just think that that's a very

1706
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:09,680
self-serving

1707
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,559
way to promote the information when i

1708
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,119
look at the history of secrecy i do not

1709
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,599
see that i see secrecy as a very

1710
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,359
self-serving

1711
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,000
uh profit driven control control-driven

1712
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:24,000
type of situation

1713
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,359
where um

1714
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,200
there may very well be people on the

1715
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,440
inside who believe

1716
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,359
that uh they'll they'll rationalize

1717
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,799
anything um you know we're doing this

1718
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:34,160
for the people but

1719
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,760
in reality i don't

1720
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:37,119
i don't believe that that is the case i

1721
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,319
think there's way too much profit and

1722
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:40,640
power involved in the ufo secret

1723
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,520
um having said that are these people for

1724
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:44,960
real are they giving him genuine

1725
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:47,520
information

1726
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,760
um bottom line is this none of this is

1727
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:51,040
really going to make

1728
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:54,640
much headway until genuine confirmable

1729
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:57,280
data is released

1730
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:59,200
otherwise it's just people talking

1731
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,880
right and even if they're head of

1732
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,599
lockheed skunk works even if they uh run

1733
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:05,440
the lab at wright-patterson

1734
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,640
uh where

1735
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,720
we believe alien tech was being studied

1736
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,559
i mean those are two of his leakers two

1737
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,839
of his people

1738
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,839
um doesn't matter

1739
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:14,880
it

1740
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,280
these people none of them

1741
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,160
have made a public statement that can be

1742
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:22,079
directly attributable to them that they

1743
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,799
will

1744
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:24,400
publicly support

1745
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:27,440
all right so when the head

1746
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:28,480
of

1747
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:31,119
boeing skunk works oh excuse me lucky

1748
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,400
skunk works

1749
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,720
um comes out and says yes i've been

1750
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,480
meeting with tom delange we talked about

1751
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,240
this this is real

1752
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,160
if the head of right pat's

1753
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,319
uh laboratory comes out mccaslin i think

1754
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,440
his name is comes out and says this then

1755
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,240
yes if uh the major general over at

1756
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,720
cheyenne mountain comes out and states

1757
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,400
we're doing this right now these people

1758
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,640
are hiding way in the background and tom

1759
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:56,880
delange is their front man

1760
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,760
and

1761
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,359
he's putting himself out there but the

1762
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:00,640
problem with that

1763
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,760
strategy

1764
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,319
is that tom delange is a rock star

1765
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,559
and and i believe he's a good guy but

1766
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,720
that's not enough

1767
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,319
to

1768
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,799
give credibility

1769
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,040
to this phenomenon while these guys are

1770
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,880
hanging out in the background

1771
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:18,480
no public statements

1772
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,520
and and absolutely no data

1773
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,280
well yeah confirmable information is

1774
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:25,280
coming out so yeah so all it says is

1775
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:28,160
talk talk talk it's talk and and to add

1776
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,280
i mean

1777
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,440
their names were never supposed to be

1778
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:33,920
given until the podesta emails were

1779
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,319
leaked so i mean right there and they're

1780
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,480
even further back in the corner not

1781
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,119
willing to come forward uh or make any

1782
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,119
public sentiment i agree with you and i

1783
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:44,880
think the podesta angle has been really

1784
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,079
overplayed and played up um

1785
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:50,160
okay this is where i have yeah i have to

1786
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,440
strongly disagree with my friend

1787
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,280
colleague steven bassett i think uh he

1788
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,960
got this whole thing wrong and grant

1789
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,880
cameron um and i respect them both

1790
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,799
tremendously but i've never agreed with

1791
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,720
him on this where they think podesta is

1792
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,960
genuinely pushing for disclosure i've

1793
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,319
never seen this

1794
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,160
um it's one thing to have an interest in

1795
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:09,040
ufos which okay he does

1796
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,559
um

1797
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:13,359
and yes yes podesta made a couple of

1798
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,400
statements

1799
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,640
about ufos in his career he did this he

1800
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,720
did the press conference back in o2 and

1801
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,599
he made the tweets the one tweet

1802
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:23,760
disclosure

1803
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,880
however

1804
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,799
john podesta is one of the most savvy

1805
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:29,359
political operators in the world right

1806
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:30,400
right

1807
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,359
um

1808
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:34,079
and i firmly believe

1809
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,440
that he

1810
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,359
has made

1811
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,440
um a recognition

1812
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:41,359
that the ufo subject

1813
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,720
in 2014 2015 2016 and today

1814
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,200
this is not where it was at in the 1990s

1815
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,040
the 1990s you talk about ufos it's a

1816
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:51,200
career ender you're done

1817
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,920
hell even in 2008 it torpedoed the

1818
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:55,359
career of dennis kucinich for his

1819
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,319
presidential candidate candidacy when um

1820
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,160
they just tore him to pieces over the

1821
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:02,160
fact that he'd been a ufo witness

1822
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,599
he didn't even talk about it and by the

1823
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:05,680
way he was corroborated by two other

1824
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,640
people

1825
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,480
who said oh yes absolutely it was a

1826
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,920
triangle it was unbelievable we were on

1827
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:11,280
the property of shirley maclaine when it

1828
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,160
happened

1829
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,920
i mean it was a really good sighting

1830
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:15,359
back in the 80s

1831
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:16,880
and kucinich got

1832
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:20,480
reamed in 2008 for that but even since

1833
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:23,039
08 we've gone through a dramatic

1834
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,799
transformation of the culture with

1835
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,319
youtube and facebook

1836
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,680
social media

1837
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:29,599
and i think podesta is a savvy political

1838
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,640
operator

1839
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:32,720
has recognized that there are votes to

1840
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,839
be won that ufos are kind of cool they

1841
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:37,520
actually are kind of cool

1842
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,920
um people are into it there's a

1843
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:42,160
tremendous market ufos in other words

1844
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:43,760
are a brand

1845
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,880
yes they're a brand and podesta realizes

1846
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:48,799
that this brand can be tapped as long as

1847
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,319
you're careful

1848
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:52,319
like and and he's been very careful he's

1849
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,839
very smart about this and hillary was

1850
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,359
very smart about this

1851
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,359
she let podesta do the talking

1852
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,359
for the most part a little bit then she

1853
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:01,119
did her thing on jimmy kimmel

1854
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:02,720
but um

1855
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,240
she never overplayed the ufo part

1856
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:08,079
they did it just enough to get people

1857
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,960
into ufos to think oh wow wow they're

1858
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,440
into ufos i'm going to vote for her

1859
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:15,599
and i be i believe that's exactly and

1860
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,760
100 of what it was all about was simply

1861
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:20,079
to get the vote and i would

1862
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,440
i mean we'll never know because she

1863
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:23,119
didn't win the election but

1864
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,160
had she won i i would absolutely never

1865
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,480
have expected her to do anything like a

1866
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,200
disclosure never yeah

1867
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,000
uh well in terms of uh

1868
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,960
civilian research into the ufo topic

1869
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:39,359
rich um i want to touch on

1870
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:42,319
uh you know the the big one let's say

1871
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,599
mufon

1872
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:45,119
this is a listener question from i

1873
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,039
believe a field investigator what are

1874
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,359
your thoughts on the functionality and

1875
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,079
the behavior of research organizations

1876
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,319
looking into the ufo topic

1877
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:57,520
that's a great question um

1878
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,400
i'm uh i'm a strong supporter in the in

1879
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:02,799
the idea of mufon i think we need

1880
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,680
organizations like mufon

1881
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:07,440
i i get a little frustrated when people

1882
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,880
say oh we're done we're done with ufo

1883
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,079
reports now let's talk about the

1884
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:12,240
implications well yes and no we're not

1885
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,680
really done with ufo reports and the

1886
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,359
reason we're not done with them

1887
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:18,000
is because what we absolutely need are

1888
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:22,319
well researched solid investigated cases

1889
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:24,160
uh this strengthens

1890
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,920
the cause for all of us and mufon

1891
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,680
above any other organization that i can

1892
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:31,680
think of is really best suited to do

1893
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,640
this

1894
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:34,240
in other words a very strong move on

1895
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:35,839
investigation

1896
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:37,119
that

1897
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,039
interviews witnesses it gets

1898
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:42,720
any kind of evidence that it can put

1899
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:44,960
forth and and a proper analysis to show

1900
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:47,200
that such and such a ufo incident is

1901
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:48,319
genuine and doesn't seem to be

1902
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:50,960
explainable conventionally we need this

1903
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:54,000
we need this in 2017 as much as ever

1904
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:55,039
because a lot of times people think

1905
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:56,720
about ufos and they think oh that's back

1906
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:58,000
you know they were ufo sightings in the

1907
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,280
50s so we need this today

1908
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:03,520
and we need mufon to be at the top of

1909
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,520
its game to do this now the problem has

1910
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:07,440
always been that mufon

1911
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:09,280
look there's never been money in mufon

1912
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:11,119
the investigators who are involved in

1913
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,359
this do this on their own dime their own

1914
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,680
energy their own time commitment

1915
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:18,240
and some of them do a fantastic job with

1916
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:20,000
all of those obstacles and they still do

1917
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:21,200
a great job

1918
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:23,039
but it's very difficult

1919
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:24,640
it's very difficult

1920
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,359
uh for years i was a little bit of a

1921
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,799
gadfly i think i'd like to say with

1922
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,799
mufon

1923
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:32,079
and one of the things that i've always

1924
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,240
said is that mufon needed

1925
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,480
to put together an annual report if

1926
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:37,760
nothing else

1927
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:40,079
move on i said stop sucking in the

1928
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,680
information and not giving anything back

1929
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:42,960
we need to have data what are you

1930
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:44,079
investigating what are the results of

1931
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:45,760
your investigation

1932
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:46,880
and um

1933
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,280
jan harzan and i i say this to his

1934
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:51,119
credit has

1935
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:52,640
been attempting to do these annual

1936
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,400
reports um

1937
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:55,920
i have one of them i think he's been

1938
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,920
doing them every year to put out

1939
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:59,200
you know

1940
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:01,119
bare bones like these are the number of

1941
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,240
cases we have these are what we've

1942
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:03,680
investigated these are our unknowns and

1943
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,720
these are our top unknowns of the year

1944
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:07,760
and i said

1945
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:09,760
this is what you need to do move on and

1946
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,920
so i think they're still doing that

1947
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:14,160
um but there's so much more to go and

1948
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,640
and we're only talking united states

1949
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,319
right the united states has five percent

1950
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,400
four percent of the world's population

1951
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:22,240
there's a whole big world out there and

1952
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:25,520
as bad as it is in the us it's vastly

1953
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:28,880
worse in every other country in terms of

1954
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:31,200
generating ufo data

1955
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:32,640
i mean it's frightening to say that the

1956
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,599
us is the best at this us and canada but

1957
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:37,119
really us

1958
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:38,720
um

1959
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:40,960
brazil they have got good ufo researches

1960
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:44,000
but there's is there a national database

1961
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,760
of sightings no there isn't not to my

1962
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,799
knowledge

1963
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,440
um they it's all sporadic we have the

1964
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,960
mufon database and we have the national

1965
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:52,559
ufo reporting center here in north

1966
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,400
america so if someone sees what they

1967
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,160
think is a ufo at the very least they

1968
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,160
can report it elsewhere in the world

1969
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,240
they got nothing yeah europe nothing

1970
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:02,640
britain no nothing really

1971
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:06,079
germany russia to my knowledge china

1972
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,760
these countries all have good ufo

1973
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:09,839
researchers in them

1974
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,240
but they need we need data

1975
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,240
and beyond that we need data that's been

1976
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:16,160
investigated

1977
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:17,359
and um

1978
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:19,760
that approaches uh some level of

1979
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,079
scientific

1980
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,920
data because um

1981
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,200
that's really the only way we're gonna

1982
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,200
make a breakthrough we need a good

1983
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:29,119
sledgehammer to break through this wall

1984
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,920
of secrecy and we can only do it with

1985
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:33,920
scientific data

1986
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:36,000
well investigated data and that's what

1987
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:38,559
mufon should be doing and can do

1988
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:39,680
um

1989
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:42,000
i'm speaking at this year's mufon

1990
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,359
symposium

1991
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:45,520
for the first time in years i i feel

1992
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,920
that i was unofficially banned for uh

1993
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,680
six years

1994
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:51,680
i mean honestly i think i was that's

1995
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:55,039
fine um but i'm a little bit

1996
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,400
this is all about they're doing a thing

1997
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,400
on the secret space program

1998
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,480
and um

1999
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:03,200
and i i'm going to say here here and now

2000
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:04,000
the

2001
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,520
individuals that i'm going to be on a

2002
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:07,520
panel with on this are individuals that

2003
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:10,000
i don't all consider reputable

2004
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,400
and i will be making it very clear

2005
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:14,880
when i'm at this panel that um i'm not

2006
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,679
starting a war with anyone but i will be

2007
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,400
i will be speaking very candidly

2008
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:21,759
about the

2009
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,440
failure of a

2010
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,799
number of these other individuals to

2011
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,719
provide any kind of confirmable or

2012
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:29,040
reasonable or even logical data behind

2013
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:30,480
them

2014
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:34,159
what i'm i'm a little bit distressed by

2015
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:37,839
is that this is a the main feature of

2016
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:40,000
because it's popular people love to talk

2017
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:41,839
about the secret space program

2018
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,080
uh if you go to the ufo subject those

2019
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,759
types of books are the top selling books

2020
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,359
these days

2021
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:49,359
and um

2022
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:50,799
so it's a matter of giving the people

2023
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,040
what they want however this is not going

2024
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,640
to be done in a scientific detached way

2025
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,279
um and my fear you know move on i i

2026
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,120
participated in a mufon show hanger one

2027
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:03,440
on tv

2028
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,400
but um which was a good idea and which

2029
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:07,920
had his own problems to be perfectly

2030
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:11,199
candid yeah and so my fear is that

2031
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,880
mufon

2032
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:15,359
mufan's got to be very careful here

2033
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,400
about going into um an area where

2034
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,880
they're just dealing more with public

2035
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:23,279
relations and less with scientific

2036
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,880
inquiry

2037
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:26,960
i mean they need pr they need to get the

2038
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,359
word out there absolutely move on

2039
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:31,359
all through the 80s and 90s utterly

2040
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:32,560
failed

2041
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:36,000
at that um mufon's website and you know

2042
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,600
for most of its history has been

2043
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,520
absolute junk they're only now just

2044
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:41,920
making it something nice

2045
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,520
but uh they still have to remain

2046
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:45,920
scientific and if they don't do that

2047
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,480
that's their core that is their strength

2048
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,159
their strength is not

2049
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:52,000
in pretending to have underground base

2050
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,800
files on hanger one or presidential

2051
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,400
files of ufos and hank like they did in

2052
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,719
hangar one that's not their strength

2053
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,719
their strength is in doing

2054
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,560
field investigations

2055
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,320
and when they move away from that that

2056
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:06,239
is their core that's their core business

2057
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,520
as it were

2058
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:09,280
and if they move away from that they are

2059
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,400
going to endanger themselves

2060
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:14,719
and they'll just be just another pr

2061
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,679
company

2062
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:17,520
selling their brand

2063
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:20,080
and if that happens uh then we're all

2064
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,719
we're all worse off

2065
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:25,040
so um

2066
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,719
i would say yeah

2067
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:28,800
yeah it's a delicate balance too rich i

2068
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,440
mean in the last week i've spoken to

2069
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:33,679
several mufon investigators who off the

2070
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:36,640
top of their head could give me the

2071
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:39,360
amount of reports from this year on

2072
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,920
cigar-shaped craft or these orbs or

2073
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:44,400
these discs what have you so that core

2074
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:47,520
work like you mentioned is being done uh

2075
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,320
but it is not at the forefront and that

2076
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,640
is a delicate balance between wanting to

2077
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:55,199
get something like hanger one on uh you

2078
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,040
know um a cable network to get that this

2079
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,960
organization out to the public but then

2080
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,320
again

2081
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,080
it's a risky game because the more

2082
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:06,320
sensational you become with these

2083
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:09,520
underground files it's tricky i get it i

2084
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:10,960
totally um they need they need to make

2085
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,520
their money um we can all appreciate

2086
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:15,280
that you can't run a decent organization

2087
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:17,040
if you're not getting some cash flow so

2088
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:18,560
they have to do that

2089
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,760
the way that they've been doing it in

2090
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,840
the past i think was really

2091
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:23,600
really questionable and in fact i think

2092
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,719
they still do it's like the board

2093
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,719
members of mufon are on the board

2094
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:28,480
because they pay a lot of money to move

2095
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:31,440
on right they basically buy their way in

2096
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:32,640
um

2097
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:37,360
not not a good way to do it i don't

2098
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:41,199
think i support this at all

2099
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:42,960
but

2100
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:46,000
on the other hand they need to find to

2101
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,120
find a way to make the money and now

2102
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,360
they're doing it through tv

2103
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,840
and through getting their brand out

2104
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,840
there which is not the worst way to do

2105
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,360
it but they've just got to be very

2106
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,760
careful with how they do it exactly and

2107
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:59,440
when you go into tv you're making a deal

2108
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,960
with the devil mufon did this back in

2109
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:02,640
the 70s with the national enquirer by

2110
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:03,679
the way

2111
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:05,199
um

2112
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:06,880
and talk about media national enquirer

2113
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:09,520
is and was at least was a cia outfit i

2114
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:10,880
don't know if it still is

2115
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:13,280
um back in the 70s it was absolutely

2116
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,719
doing work for the cia it was run by a

2117
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:17,280
guy named gene pope who was a cia

2118
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:20,480
ex mafioso too but definitely cia

2119
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:23,920
and um and mufon was

2120
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,679
actually very close with the national

2121
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:28,159
enquirer for through the 70s

2122
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,840
and um

2123
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,440
a lot of people back then thought why

2124
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:33,600
are we doing this and um because it's

2125
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,880
really hurting our reputation

2126
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,600
and uh mufon leadership's answers walter

2127
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:41,120
andrus running mufon at the time said

2128
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:43,120
look we um

2129
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,640
you know any publicity is better than no

2130
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,159
publicity i think that was essentially

2131
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:48,239
his answer until he eventually he got

2132
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,080
overruled and mufon

2133
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,000
pulled its relationship away from the

2134
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:54,159
inquirer but for uh the mid 70s they

2135
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,600
were very much in bed with the national

2136
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:57,679
enquirer

2137
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,880
and then now now you've got the

2138
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,800
situation with hanger one it's a similar

2139
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:02,480
kind of a thing where

2140
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,920
the problem with that show and i'll just

2141
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,520
say this because i was on it for both of

2142
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:07,280
the seasons

2143
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,960
uh that was a very heavily scripted show

2144
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:13,120
yes to my knowledge i was i might have

2145
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,640
been the only

2146
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,800
person in all of season two to my

2147
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:19,280
knowledge who refused to read from a

2148
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,400
script

2149
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:22,640
um they wanted me to both seasons and i

2150
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,040
said are you are you kidding me

2151
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,600
i said look i'll work with you just

2152
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,040
ask me your questions and i'll do my

2153
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:31,440
best to answer them uh relevantly yes i

2154
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,440
mean i just for any of the tv shows

2155
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,880
but i'm not gonna read your script i

2156
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,560
mean goodness gracious but they had

2157
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,239
everyone else doing this and they had

2158
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,480
actual voice actors pretending to be ufo

2159
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:41,520
researchers on there and they had

2160
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,640
producers on there who are not

2161
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,760
researchers

2162
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,360
and and they really harm them and then

2163
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,280
then the whole pretense

2164
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,679
the false pretense that mufon had these

2165
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:51,280
their files in this place called hanger

2166
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:52,560
one

2167
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:53,679
my mother

2168
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,679
always excited when i'm on television

2169
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,760
and uh she got excited about hanger one

2170
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:01,360
and at the beginning she said so where

2171
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,360
is this hanger one

2172
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:05,840
and i said look mom there it's just uh

2173
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:08,000
it's a convenient fiction

2174
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:10,800
and my mother got so angry

2175
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:14,560
at being lied to right yeah and um and i

2176
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:15,760
think her instincts are good you know

2177
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,679
you don't want to be lied to on tv yeah

2178
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,679
um the idea was when dave mcdonald was

2179
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:21,920
running mufon he did he's an aviator and

2180
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,480
he did store mufon files in a hangar

2181
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,800
and when they were doing the creating

2182
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,880
when they were developing the show

2183
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,560
that was where the mufon files were

2184
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,320
stored in a hanger and they said let's

2185
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:34,719
call it hanger one of course the images

2186
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,640
of the of the building were all

2187
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:38,320
fictional i mean right

2188
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,440
like

2189
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,000
um in that part i mean all right you

2190
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:44,239
want to like give them this enabling

2191
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,120
fiction

2192
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,719
find but then what they would do is move

2193
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,199
on you know we've got our files on

2194
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:51,600
on this and on that and they they don't

2195
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:52,719
they don't have their files in those

2196
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:55,520
cases right but they have a tremendous

2197
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:57,520
number of case files

2198
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,080
yeah and um they don't have files

2199
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:02,239
dealing with underground bases right

2200
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:03,600
they don't have files dealing with the

2201
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:04,800
president

2202
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:07,040
that's grant cameron he's got those

2203
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:08,960
that's his research and a few of us

2204
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:11,840
other researchers uh

2205
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:13,840
you know so i mean they were kind of

2206
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,400
making these uh it was getting down this

2207
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:18,480
slippery road of

2208
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,280
i think the producers really had a good

2209
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,440
intention i i honestly do believe it i

2210
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:25,440
met i talked with the producers and

2211
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:28,400
i think they um overall

2212
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,440
wanted to do a good reliable

2213
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:32,960
show that dealt with genuine issues and

2214
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:35,440
some of the shows did deal very well

2215
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:37,040
with these issues

2216
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,719
i want to give them some credit but they

2217
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:40,159
they hampered themselves and mufon

2218
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:41,520
hampered itself

2219
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:44,400
by going in down this road that is

2220
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:45,360
they're talking about things that are

2221
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,640
not accurate this is the danger with

2222
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:48,000
television

2223
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:50,080
anytime you do tv work

2224
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:51,679
and i i don't know i've done enough of

2225
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:54,000
it and it's very hard

2226
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:54,800
um

2227
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,800
these tv producers they're not ufo

2228
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,480
people they don't care they want good

2229
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:00,960
ratings yes and some of them might care

2230
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,280
a little bit about the subject they they

2231
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:05,440
do some of them do get interested but

2232
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:06,640
they don't have a lot of knowledge

2233
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,480
generally speaking and

2234
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,560
and they're out there to get good

2235
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:12,640
ratings um

2236
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:14,400
and that's their job their job is to get

2237
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,600
good ratings their job isn't to be

2238
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:17,600
truthful about ufos

2239
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:20,159
so i'm not faulting them it's the nature

2240
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:21,280
of the beast

2241
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,840
but mufon has got to be careful

2242
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,840
that's all and they really i would just

2243
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,280
say to mufon i would say to jan and i

2244
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:29,520
will say when i see him again don't lose

2245
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:31,520
sight of your core

2246
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:32,800
reason to be

2247
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,400
is to have

2248
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:38,480
and train and

2249
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:41,679
encourage and inspire good investigators

2250
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:45,280
to do good work in the field to produce

2251
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:47,040
good analyses

2252
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:48,400
of ufo cases

2253
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:50,320
yes that's what you do and don't lose

2254
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:52,080
sight of that move on stick to the

2255
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,080
mission guys no i i have hope for the

2256
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:56,560
future of mufon i really do uh

2257
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:58,800
rich in terms of uh

2258
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:00,840
this this may piss off some of our more

2259
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:04,000
skeptical listeners uh but in closing

2260
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,600
i've got one more listener question for

2261
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:07,440
you and

2262
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:09,520
that's what do you think is the best

2263
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:12,960
evidence we have that ufos have anything

2264
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,000
to do

2265
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:16,159
with an extraterrestrial intelligence i

2266
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:18,960
know that's a very loaded question but

2267
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,040
um i i would answer it in two stages

2268
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,600
sorry so stage one is i look at

2269
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:25,520
confirmed

2270
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,719
government documents i always start with

2271
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,440
that why because i know they're real i

2272
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:32,960
know there's a paper trail and i know

2273
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:34,880
that the national security community has

2274
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:37,199
taken this subject very seriously

2275
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,679
among documents in the paper trail

2276
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,640
are

2277
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:42,560
radar trackings and visuals of objects

2278
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,040
that are described as disc shaped this

2279
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,280
is back in the 1940s and 50s

2280
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,280
uh sometimes zigzagging sometimes

2281
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:51,120
instant acceleration always incredible

2282
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:53,199
maneuverability silent in other words

2283
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:54,480
extraordinary

2284
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:57,360
so we know that that part's real

2285
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:58,719
we know this

2286
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,040
uh it leaves us a couple of options

2287
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:03,120
extraterrestrial right

2288
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,000
uh black budget classified us black

2289
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:08,320
budget classified soviet russian and the

2290
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,280
like

2291
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:11,280
um

2292
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:13,120
so on that level alone we go through

2293
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:14,800
process of elimination and we know by

2294
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:15,679
the way

2295
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:16,960
that within the us intelligence

2296
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:18,800
community that the um the glim the

2297
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:20,800
glimpses that we have of their analyses

2298
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:23,040
that we are permitted to see

2299
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:24,239
many of them

2300
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,520
have concluded

2301
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,440
extraterrestrial interplanetary was the

2302
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:29,520
most likely scenario because

2303
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,360
there was an evidence of a us-based or

2304
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:33,360
soviet-based technology program that

2305
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,880
could do it and indeed to this day there

2306
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:36,320
isn't

2307
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:38,960
um on top of that we have non-military

2308
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,000
evidence so we have evidence of

2309
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:44,320
people who have had encounters and

2310
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,440
here's the thing that a skeptic

2311
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:49,199
will argue against which is that the

2312
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:51,679
evidence for these encounters is not

2313
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,800
uh of a high level of scientific

2314
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,800
credibility in their opinion

2315
01:19:00,310 --> 01:18:58,800
uh i would be inclined to agree with

2316
01:19:01,510 --> 01:19:00,320
that except i would i would have one

2317
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,520
caveat

2318
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:04,320
the amount of that evidence is is so

2319
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:05,760
vast at this point

2320
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:06,640
and

2321
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,560
little bit problematic anyway

2322
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,320
uh there have been

2323
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,400
some very detailed investigations of

2324
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:16,560
individual cases

2325
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,920
from back to the betty and barney hill

2326
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:19,520
abduction case

2327
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,159
to the uh even the boaz case in brazil

2328
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:24,239
from 1957

2329
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:26,560
to more recent cases in the 70s and 80s

2330
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,679
and 90s

2331
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:29,520
that have gone through

2332
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:31,840
detailed analysis the bet andreas and

2333
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:33,120
luca case

2334
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,960
investigated by ray fowler

2335
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,880
is a very very interesting case hard for

2336
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:38,320
me to dismiss this

2337
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:40,239
as anything other than dealing with

2338
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:42,880
extraterrestrial or non-human entities

2339
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,679
um the work of bud hopkins and john mack

2340
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,440
and dave jacobs and

2341
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:50,239
nowadays people like kathleen martin and

2342
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:51,760
um

2343
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,760
these people do regressive hypnosis

2344
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:58,080
barbara lamb

2345
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:59,520
i don't even agree with all of the

2346
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:00,719
conclusions that they have about the

2347
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:03,040
nature of the phenomenon itself but all

2348
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,880
of these people

2349
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:06,560
are meeting with

2350
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:08,719
large numbers

2351
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:10,080
of individuals who've had what they

2352
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,520
believe are abduction experience or

2353
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:13,280
encounter experiences

2354
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:15,120
then the quantity of these individuals

2355
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,800
is so vast and these are not

2356
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:18,880
psychologically disturbed people

2357
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:21,199
now is there

2358
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,960
an explanation

2359
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,719
that could account

2360
01:20:28,629 --> 01:20:26,400
for the tremendous consistency of what

2361
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:28,639
most of these people are saying

2362
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:31,840
they're having experiences with

2363
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:33,920
non-human entities who are doing things

2364
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:36,159
to their body

2365
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,120
uh is there some kind of psychological

2366
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:41,440
manifestation of something that's

2367
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:42,480
causing this

2368
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:43,280
well

2369
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:45,040
in theory i suppose it's possible we

2370
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:46,080
don't know what that is no one's

2371
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,159
identified it on the other hand knowing

2372
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:50,000
that there's a ufo phenomenon that is

2373
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,320
real and we know it's real

2374
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,760
because we have the documentation to

2375
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:55,199
prove it's real

2376
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:57,199
and we have the reasons to believe that

2377
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,159
it may indeed be not of our civilization

2378
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:02,320
so when i combine that evidence

2379
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:04,080
with the

2380
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:06,320
very large amount of of uh personal

2381
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:08,000
testimony that people have of encounters

2382
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:09,360
with non-human beings in connection with

2383
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,480
ufos subject topics sightings excuse me

2384
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,719
then i have to think that's the most

2385
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:16,880
by far right it's the most logical

2386
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,159
conclusion

2387
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:20,880
and it doesn't all come down to uh

2388
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:22,639
evidence from regressive hypnosis by the

2389
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:23,440
way

2390
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:25,199
all right there's a lot of people who've

2391
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:27,520
had encounters with ufos

2392
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,960
and beings or and or occupants inside

2393
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:32,400
that have not

2394
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:33,520
revealed this information through

2395
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,800
hypnosis

2396
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:36,560
i mean there's an enormous number of

2397
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:38,719
accounts from around the world not just

2398
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:40,000
america

2399
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:42,639
where this is the case so i think that's

2400
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:46,080
the most likely scenario

2401
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,280
um

2402
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:49,040
that's not the same as scientific

2403
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:50,880
laboratory proof but

2404
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,239
it's a messy world out there this is

2405
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,159
what i think we're looking at

2406
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,800
i think it's the best hypothesis by far

2407
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:58,239
yes and that's why i say i think that's

2408
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:01,040
why we are dealing with a um

2409
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:02,800
presence of an other

2410
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,719
uh are they from another planet well i

2411
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,239
would say probably but they could be

2412
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:08,320
from some other portion of reality that

2413
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:10,159
i don't quite understand because i'm not

2414
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:11,520
smart enough because my brain doesn't

2415
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:17,830
yeah well and i mean rich you and i both

2416
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:19,840
know as all the listeners that this

2417
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:22,400
topic in general ufos is not so black

2418
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:25,760
and white so uh there is no one core

2419
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:28,639
answer to any of this um

2420
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:31,040
i had a conversation i i've been

2421
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,239
interrupted you've been so nice to me

2422
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:35,520
this whole interview ryan all right

2423
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:37,280
once with a researcher named chris

2424
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:40,320
o'brien yeah i like chris he um he's

2425
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:42,239
done great work on cattle mutilations

2426
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:43,679
and not just that though he's done work

2427
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:45,679
on really a lot of the high strangeness

2428
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,360
of this whole subject

2429
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:48,800
and um

2430
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:50,639
chris we were talking about this once

2431
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:52,880
and he he said to me

2432
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,520
i i said i think um

2433
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,560
you know no there's no one

2434
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:00,800
theory that seems to explain all of ufos

2435
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,320
and he said i would go further i'd say a

2436
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:03,840
lot of the theories fight against each

2437
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:06,320
other in other words the idea of

2438
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:09,440
extraterrestrial or time travelers or

2439
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:11,360
inter-dimensional

2440
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:12,320
um

2441
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:15,679
entities or black budget

2442
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:18,639
but they are there's all these competing

2443
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,320
theories when we when we ask ourselves

2444
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:22,320
what is the core what's causing this

2445
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:23,520
phenomenon

2446
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:28,639
the earth itself is reality itself

2447
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:30,400
getting inside our heads to make us see

2448
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,840
these things

2449
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:33,280
in a way that comports with our own

2450
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:35,120
cultural and psychological expectations

2451
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:36,800
i mean if you go through ufo sightings

2452
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,320
over the centuries

2453
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:40,560
people in medieval times

2454
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,159
bad sightings of things they didn't

2455
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,080
describe the most space men

2456
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:45,600
in flying saucers because well they

2457
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:47,120
didn't have that concept

2458
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,280
so they describe things differently

2459
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,360
so is there a phenomenon

2460
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:53,520
that's causing us to see things the way

2461
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:54,880
we expect to see them and does that mean

2462
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:56,719
that they're physically real or not

2463
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:58,080
that's a psychosocial type of

2464
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:59,280
explanation

2465
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,800
um

2466
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,880
and then there's the whole idea that are

2467
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,800
we living in a constructed matrix type

2468
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:06,719
of reality a kind of uh

2469
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:09,840
you know simulated simulation hypothesis

2470
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,360
but then i think the extraterrestrial

2471
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:13,120
hypothesis is

2472
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:15,040
a um

2473
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,800
is still the probably the front runner

2474
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,239
in my opinion

2475
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,800
uh when i look at our own future tech

2476
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:22,639
our own ability in the next generation

2477
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,400
or two to

2478
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:26,159
get some part of our civilization

2479
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,239
civilization out to the stars i mean

2480
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:31,199
we're you and i may not make it but um

2481
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:33,280
next gen artificial intelligence next

2482
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:35,199
generation 3d printing

2483
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:37,120
next generation propulsion yeah i could

2484
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:38,400
see it happening we could send something

2485
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:39,360
out there

2486
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:41,040
and so has another civilization had

2487
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,480
already done that for us are they

2488
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:44,480
sending their own artificially created

2489
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,679
beings their own avatars who knows i

2490
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:49,120
think that's probably the most likely

2491
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:50,400
scenario and i think that's what we're

2492
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,679
dealing with

2493
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:53,199
i agree it is an

2494
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,719
extremely enticing future to uh

2495
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,280
to live in uh and i i look forward to

2496
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,600
seeing where that goes rich uh what do

2497
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,280
you got coming up my man what can we

2498
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:05,280
expect from you in the near future well

2499
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:08,320
i i just shot a uh i had a reshoot but

2500
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,320
we did a uh a full season episode of

2501
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,800
false flags on gaia tv so i've had a

2502
01:25:19,110 --> 01:25:16,800
show on guy it's coming out it'll be out

2503
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,120
this early summer i think

2504
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:20,960
on the history of false flag operations

2505
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,440
this is not a ufo oriented program at

2506
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:25,199
all it's all politics it's something

2507
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,960
very different for gaia this is not

2508
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:28,719
anything like what they do is they're

2509
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:30,880
taking a chance on me so i'm hoping it

2510
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:32,480
doesn't fall flat i think it's a good

2511
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,920
show um

2512
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,520
it deals with the phenomenon of false

2513
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,600
flags as it has occurred throughout

2514
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:39,120
human history particularly in the last

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01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:40,480
century

2516
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,280
and uh and focusing really on um

2517
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:45,040
a lot of the u.s false flags over the

2518
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,719
last 50 years

2519
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,080
it's only scratching the surface there's

2520
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,760
so much more to do but i've written and

2521
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:52,320
hosted that that'll be out soon

2522
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:54,080
i'll keep people posted on that as we

2523
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,920
approach airing

2524
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:57,840
and then in terms of my own uh writing

2525
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,400
and researching um

2526
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,400
uh i'm working on my own publishing

2527
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:04,080
projects right now i've published a

2528
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:05,360
bunch of other people's books including

2529
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:07,760
yours over the last year i've got some

2530
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:09,199
of my own things i've done this little

2531
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:10,560
lecture series these booklets that i'm

2532
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:12,880
putting out but fundamentally i'm i want

2533
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,719
to finish my false flag book

2534
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,400
i'll be doing a number of appearances

2535
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:18,480
i'll be in joshua tree

2536
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:22,000
california in late may with my fiance

2537
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,159
tracy who you met a few months ago in

2538
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:26,639
phoenix yes i did congratulations yeah

2539
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:27,520
thank you

2540
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:29,280
it's a very wonderful thing

2541
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,760
and um i will be in roswell new mexico

2542
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:34,000
oh and before that i'll be in greece

2543
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:35,760
uh with my good our good buddy peter

2544
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:39,120
robbins yes to a group in athens

2545
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:40,560
uh that is

2546
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,080
i encourage people it's called contact

2547
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:44,800
with space if you are in europe

2548
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,880
if you can get to athens we will be

2549
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,199
there in early june you could go to my

2550
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:51,040
website i've got this linked richard on

2551
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:52,480
the press.com

2552
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,520
um

2553
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:55,440
and i'll be in roswell after that and

2554
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,600
i'll be at mufon in las vegas at the end

2555
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,280
of late july

2556
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:01,199
and i imagine that'll be an interesting

2557
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,159
panel

2558
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:04,560
i can only imagine well rich i i

2559
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:06,880
couldn't have asked for a better first

2560
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:09,520
interview uh we really ran the gamut i

2561
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:11,920
hope people enjoyed it and uh i can't

2562
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:14,080
thank you enough for coming on with me

2563
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:16,080
today for somewhere in the skies

2564
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:17,440
ryan you were really nice to me you just

2565
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:18,480
let me roll

2566
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:20,719
hey man you do the work with this that

2567
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:23,520
was the plan from the beginning

2568
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:25,280
it was really nice being on your show

2569
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,880
and um i think it's going to be really

2570
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:28,080
successful and i just want to say on

2571
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:29,280
your behalf

2572
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,639
um

2573
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:32,560
the book you wrote somewhere in the

2574
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,840
skies i

2575
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:35,920
consider one of the best books of the

2576
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:36,960
decade

2577
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,280
in this field uh what i like what you

2578
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:41,520
did is you

2579
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:43,920
uh i think there was a real lack

2580
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:48,239
of books about experiences direct

2581
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:49,679
sightings and experiences of the ufo

2582
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,520
phenomenon you know the um

2583
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:53,920
the people who did abduction books had

2584
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:55,760
had been doing this but

2585
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:58,159
my sense is that there's a lack of these

2586
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,960
books out there and and you don't have

2587
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,719
to do this through abduction research or

2588
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:04,480
hypnotic regression

2589
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:06,080
uh you can do it as a journalist as you

2590
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,040
have done

2591
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:09,600
and so you um you're getting people's

2592
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:11,520
stories and

2593
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:13,840
this is really valuable because it's

2594
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,639
it's

2595
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:16,320
so important for us to understand the

2596
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:17,760
human

2597
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:20,159
aspects of this phenomenon how it

2598
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:21,360
affects us

2599
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:23,679
the inexplicable nature of what people

2600
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,520
are dealing with

2601
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,520
and i really like the way you did this

2602
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,760
book it's a very well written book

2603
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,920
it's engaging and it's filled with

2604
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:33,360
interesting ideas which is what makes

2605
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,639
any book interesting if it doesn't have

2606
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,719
interesting ideas and why bother yours

2607
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:38,639
is interesting in that way and i really

2608
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:39,920
feel it's a great service that's why i

2609
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:42,000
was proud to publish it and i want

2610
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:43,199
everyone to know that this is an

2611
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:44,960
excellent book and they should

2612
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:47,679
um they should buy it and read it well

2613
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:50,080
thank you i was not expecting that but i

2614
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:52,719
i highly appreciate that coming from you

2615
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,239
um and yeah i hope everyone can someday

2616
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:58,320
realize that no matter what's at the

2617
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:00,800
core of these phenomena uh it's it's the

2618
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,920
humans that matter most so thank you

2619
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:05,440
humans and uh yeah we should be

2620
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:07,520
interested how does it affect us and i

2621
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:08,719
like the way you go about it in your

2622
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,880
book thank you so much and again thank

2623
01:29:22,270 --> 01:29:12,320
you for joining us

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01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:56,470
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01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:00,480
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